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GjenopprettetMedlem
Kurt Vonnegut

Eight rules for writing fiction:

1. Use the time of a total stranger in such a way that he or she will not feel the time was wasted.

2. Give the reader at least one character he or she can root for.

3. Every character should want something, even if it is only a glass of water.

4. Every sentence must do one of two things — reveal character or advance the action.

5. Start as close to the end as possible.

6. Be a sadist. Now matter how sweet and innocent your leading characters, make awful things happen to them — in order that the reader may see what they are made of.

7. Write to please just one person. If you open a window and make love to the world, so to speak, your story will get pneumonia.

8. Give your readers as much information as possible as soon as possible. To heck with suspense. Readers should have such complete understanding of what is going on, where and why, that they could finish the story themselves, should cockroaches eat the last few pages.

Kurt Vonnegut, Bagombo Snuff Box: Uncollected Short Fiction (New York: G.P. Putnam's Sons 1999), 9-10.

Fra: http://www.americanstate.org/vonnegut.html
Anonymous
He he - han tenkte nok ikke på å skrive dikt.
Selv om jeg kunne gi meg i kast med en lengre digresjon om hvordan reglene kunne anvendes på skriving av poesi, så er det ikke det jeg har logget meg inn for idag.

Vonnegut selv har nok høstet mye suksess på grunnlag eller til tross for reglene sine:

Han som spiser "BREAKFAST WITH CHAMPIONS"
og slik føler jeg meg på denne strålende morgenen
i godt selskap på sjamansonen: jeg spiser breakfast med champions.

Når det gjelder skrivingen, holder jeg mye med PLINIUS, SELV OM RÅDET HANS EGENTLIG VAR MENT FOR MALERE:

NULLA DIES SINE LINEA

NO DAY WITHOUT LINES
GjenopprettetMedlem
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George Orwell has earned the right to be called one of the finer writers in the English language through such novels as 1984 and Animal Farm, such essays as “Shooting an Elephant,” and his memoir Down and Out in Paris.

George expressed a strong dislike of totalitarian governments in his work, but he was also passionate defender of good writing.  Thus, you may want to hear some of George’s writing tips.*

A scrupulous writer, in every sentence that he writes, will ask himself at least four questions, thus:

What am I trying to say?
What words will express it?
What image or idiom will make it clearer?
Is this image fresh enough to have an effect?


And he will probably ask himself two more:

Could I put it more shortly?
Have I said anything that is avoidably ugly?

One can often be in doubt about the effect of a word or a phrase, and one needs rules that one can rely on when instinct fails. I think the following rules will cover most cases:

Never use a metaphor, simile, or other figure of speech which you are used to seeing in print.
Never use a long word where a short one will do.
If it is possible to cut a word out, always cut it out.
Never use the passive where you can use the active.
Never use a foreign phrase, a scientific word, or a jargon word if you can think of an everyday English equivalent.
Break any of these rules sooner than say anything outright barbarous.
 

* From “Politics and the English Language” by George Orwell.

Fra: http://www.writingclasses.com/Informati ... PageID/300
Anonymous
TAKK IGJEN.

"Break any of these rules sooner than say anything outright barbarous" (Orwell)

Det gir en ide til en mulig definisjon på kitsch: kitsch bryter disse reglene uavlatelig for å unngå å si noe som er støtende eller provoserende eller vanskelig.
GjenopprettetMedlem
Takk for tipset, passopp ...

Det funker sikkert bra for de som skriver for andre .

Jeg skriver for min egen healing , og jeg liker ikke regler eller begrensninger .


                  :)
psbot [Picsearch]
æ orker ikke engang å lese alle de tipsene...... :confused:
Anonymous
Jeg kom til å lese disse rådene, som gjorde at jeg fikk mer skrivesperre enn det jeg hadde.
Så leste jeg Ailo sin artikkel på fremsiden  :biggrin:, så nå har jeg  lyst til å herje og skrive videre.
Anonymous
  A. Jeg bruker hele meg selv når jeg skriver.

                            B. Det hjelper å ha et liv - og noe derinne som roper"Skriv!"

                                 
GjenopprettetMedlem
"Masha":

He he - han tenkte nok ikke på å skrive dikt.


Her er noen som har tenkt på det:
http://jerz.setonhill.edu/writing/creat ... y/tips.htm

Kara Ziehl, a UWEC creative writing major, compiled these tips in order to help students in my English 110 ("Introduction to College Writing") class. I have fine-tuned and expanded her text somewhat, but I think she did an excellent job -- this is now required reading for budding student poets in my classes. -- DGJ

Poetry Writing: Top 10 Tips

1. Know Your Goal
2.  Avoid Clichès
3.  Avoid Sentimentality
4.  Use Images
5.  Use Metaphor and Simile
6.  Use Concrete Words Instead of Abstract Words
7.  Communicate Theme
8.  Subvert the Ordinary
9.  Rhyme with Extreme Caution
10. Revise, Revise, Revise


Nettsiden driftes av en kar som underviser i "Creative Writing", jeg sier ikke mer...

Jo, forresten, han har en blogg med dette innlegget:
http://jerz.setonhill.edu/weblog/permalink.jsp?id=4782
som siterer følgende (og man kan legge inn kommentar):

Pay attention to the world (Guardian)
By presenting us with a limitless number of nonstopped stories, the narratives that the media relate - the consumption of which has so dramatically cut into the time the educated public once devoted to reading - offer a lesson in amorality and detachment that is antithetical to the one embodied by the enterprise of the novel.

In storytelling as practiced by the novelist, there is always - as I have argued - an ethical component. This ethical component is not the truth, as opposed to the falsity of the chronicle. It is the model of completeness, of felt intensity, of enlightenment supplied by the story, and its resolution - which is the opposite of the model of obtuseness, of non-understanding, of passive dismay, and the consequent numbing of feeling, offered by our mediadisseminated glut of unending stories.

Television gives us, in an extremely debased and un-truthful form, a truth that the novelist is obliged to suppress in the interest of the ethical model of understanding peculiar to the enterprise of fiction: namely, that the characteristic feature of our universe is that many things are happening at the same time.
("Time exists in order that it doesn't happen all at once ... space exists so that it doesn't all happen to you.")
-- Susan Sontag


Fra: http://books.guardian.co.uk/print/0,,32 ... 38,00.html
Anonymous
Enda en frokostservering av Passopp!
Det kan bli vanedannende...

God Almighty! (Jeg tar meg herved friheten til å bruke en cliché med utropstegn! Til tross for ovennevnte råd om det motsatte.)

Nå vet jeg sjeleklart at jeg velger riktig ved å ikke ta opp et slikt studium i creative writing.
The school of life is my path... men det er selvsagt en horribel cliché.
And I do revise my steps in due time.

- mitt hjertets kjøkken lager sine egne resepter, der inne koker og smelter og fordamper og kjølner og formes og skjæres og blandes og renses og spises og danses det -

Confessions of a kitchen dancer
Anonymous
"Masha":


- mitt hjertets kjøkken lager sine egne resepter, der inne koker og smelter og fordamper og kjølner og formes og skjæres og blandes og renses og spises og danses det -

Confessions of a kitchen dancer




:eusa_dance:
Anonymous
Ja Masha, de ordene har jeg og sansen for. :eusa_dance:
GjenopprettetMedlem
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GjenopprettetMedlem
"Masha":

Når det gjelder skrivingen, holder jeg mye med PLINIUS, SELV OM RÅDET HANS EGENTLIG VAR MENT FOR MALERE:
NULLA DIES SINE LINEA
NO DAY WITHOUT LINES


* Nulla dies sine linea = La ingen dag gå fra deg uten å skrive minst en linje.

Denne sentensen stammer opprinnelig fra den greske maleren Apelles, som levde på Alexander den stores tid (ca. 350 f.v.t.). Apelles tenkte på det å tegne, men i dag brukes den mest om forfattere. Historien finnes hos Plinius den eldre, Historia naturalis, 35, 84. Kilde: Klaus Bartels. Veni, vidi, vici. Geflügelte Worte aus dem Griechischen und Lateinischen. Darmstadt: WBG, 1992, s. 120.

http://home.hio.no/~tord/afo/arti/publiser2.htm  http://plinius.wordpress.com/
GjenopprettetMedlem
Kurt Vonnegut, som jeg startet denne tråden med, døde i New York onsdag den 11. april 2007.

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Bilde fra: 
http://www.calendarlive.com/la-et-vonne ... e-channels

Dette er de mest personlige og innsiktsfulle minneord jeg fant:
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/harvey-wa ... 45834.html
Håper du leser akkurat dette hvis du i det hele tatt tar deg tid til å åpne en eneste link!

Mere nyhetsstoff her:
http://www.usatoday.com/life/people/200 ... htm?csp=34
http://www.nytimes.com/2007/04/13/opini ... ref=slogin
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/18081655/si ... /?from=rss
http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20070412/peo ... negut_dc_6

En anmeldelse, fra 1969, av hans bok om terrorbombingen av Dresden i 1945, som han opplevde som amerikansk soldat i tysk krigsfangenskap:
http://www.nytimes.com/1969/03/31/books ... house.html

Les mer bakgrunn her:  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kurt_Vonnegut

Slik ser hans hjemmeside ut nå:  http://www.vonnegut.com/

Til slutt, linker til en annen variant av Kurt Vonneguts skriveråd:

http://literature.sdsu.edu/onWRITING/vonnegutSTYLE.html
http://www.harmonize.com/probe/aids/manual/style.htm
http://www.peterstekel.com/PDF-HTML/Kur ... riters.htm

How to write with style

• Find a subject you care about.
• Do not ramble, though.
• Keep it simple.
• Have the guts to cut.
• Sound like yourself.
• Say what you mean to say.
• Pity the readers.
GjenopprettetMedlem
Tillegg ultimo mai 2007: You Tube har etter hvert ganske mange videoer om K.V.:
http://www.youtube.com/results?search_q ... rch=Search

Et par til minneartikler:
http://www.alternet.org/stories/50548/
http://www.stopsmilingonline.com/featur ... ml?id1=794

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New York Times har laget en oversikt over Kurt Vonneguts liv og verk:
http://topics.nytimes.com/top/reference ... x.html?8qa
Her er linker til biografi, bokomtaler, intervjuer med og artikler av forfatteren.

New York Times har også trykket et tidligere upublisert dikt av KV:

Worship

By KURT VONNEGUT
Published: April 13, 2007

I don't know about you,
but I practice a disorganized religion.
I belong to an unholy disorder.
We call ourselves,
"Our Lady of Perpetual Astonishment."
You may have seen us praying
for love
on sidewalks outside the better
eating establishments
in all kinds of weather.
Blow us a kiss
upon arriving or departing,
and we will climax
simultaneously.
It can be quite a scene,
especially if it is raining
cats and dogs


Kurt Vonnegut, the author of “Slaughterhouse-Five” and many other novels, died on Wednesday.
This poem was previously unpublished.

http://www.nytimes.com/2007/04/13/opini ... negut.html

Her er en artikkel fra 1967 om å lære folk å skrive. Den begynner slik:

Teaching the Unteachable

You can't teach people to write well. Writing well is something God lets you do or declines to let you do.

http://www.nytimes.com/1967/08/06/books ... wanted=all
SEO Crawler
Kjenner ikke til Vonnegut, men har allerede sympati med karen. Han er nylig avdød, så jeg.

Det jeg igrunn ville si: Et meget bra bilde det der! Et av de bedre "portrettfotografier" (?) jeg har sett på ei stund.

  :respect:
Anonymous
Følger opp med tretten råd fra Chuck Palahniuk, mannen bak boken som ligger til grunne for filmen "Fight Club".


http://www.chuckpalahniuk.net/workshops ... kessay.php

Noen smakebiter:

Number One: Two years ago, when I wrote the first of these essays it was about my "egg timer method" of writing. You never saw that essay, but here's the method: When you don't want to write, set an egg timer for one hour (or half hour) and sit down to write until the timer rings. If you still hate writing, you're free in an hour. But usually, by the time that alarm rings, you'll be so involved in your work, enjoying it so much, you'll keep going. Instead of an egg timer, you can put a load of clothes in the washer or dryer and use them to time your work. Alternating the thoughtful task of writing with the mindless work of laundry or dish washing will give you the breaks you need for new ideas and insights to occur. If you don't know what comes next in the story… clean your toilet. Change the bed sheets. For Christ sakes, dust the computer. A better idea will come.

Number Two: Your audience is smarter than you imagine. Don't be afraid to experiment with story forms and time shifts. My personal theory is that younger readers distain most books - not because those readers are dumber than past readers, but because today's reader is smarter. Movies have made us very sophisticated about storytelling. And your audience is much harder to shock than you can ever imagine.


Number Six: Use writing as your excuse to throw a party each week - even if you call that party a "workshop." Any time you can spend time among other people who value and support writing, that will balance those hours you spend alone, writing. Even if someday you sell your work, no amount of money will compensate you for your time spent alone. So, take your "paycheck" up front, make writing an excuse to be around people. When you reach the end of your life - trust me, you won't look back and savor the moments you spent alone.

Number Seven: Let yourself be with Not Knowing. This bit of advice comes through a hundred famous people, through Tom Spanbauer to me and now, you. The longer you can allow a story to take shape, the better that final shape will be. Don't rush or force the ending of a story or book. All you have to know is the next scene, or the next few scenes. You don't have to know every moment up to the end, in fact, if you do it'll be boring as hell to execute.

Brukbar?

For meg fungerer vaskemaskin-metoden ... vel, vi får vente og se.
GjenopprettetMedlem
Ain't It the Truth?

Kurt Vonnegut on Science Fiction -A Galaxy Insight

"I love you sons of bitches. You're all I read any more. You're the only ones who'll talk all about the really terrific changes going on, the only ones crazy enough to know that life is a space voyage, and not a short one, either, but one that'll last for billions of years. You're the only ones with guts enough to really care about the future, who really notice what machines do to us, what wars do to us, what cities do to us, what big, simple ideas do to what tremendous misunderstanding, mistakes, accidents, catastrophes do to us. You're the only ones zany enough to agonize over time and distance without limit, over mysteries that will never die, over the fact that we are right now determining whether the space voyage for the next billion years or so is going to be Heaven or Hell."

Spoken by Eliot Rosewater to a group of science fiction writers in Vonnegut's underrated masterpiece, God Bless You Mr. Rosewater.

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Fra: http://www.dailygalaxy.com/my_weblog/20 ... e-tru.html
Anonymous
Philip Pullman certainly would agree - apart from me.

http://www.philip-pullman.com/pages/con ... ?PageID=13

Pullman har jeg jo nevnt herinne før. En skapende, dyptloddende og fortryllende forteller og absolutt relevant for sjamanistisk interesserte. Flere av skikkelsene hans er dessuten inspirert fra norrøn mytologi.
http://sjaman.com/component/option,com_ ... pic,2129.0

Hans forfatterråd: Read like a butterfly and write like a bee.

http://www.philip-pullman.com/about_the_writing.asp

Livshistorisk sett fant jeg ganske sent frem til science-fictions iboende muligheter. Jeg måtte kvitte meg med noen skylapper først. Bedre sent enn aldri!
Innfallsporten eller nøkkelopplevelsen var å lese Joe Haldemann, "The Hemingway Hoax".
GjenopprettetMedlem
Hallo i natta, Susy Guts, legger inn en ny huskelapp, til glede for deg og meg, og kanskje til ergrelse for alle andre!
  ::)

Writing Forward
Writing for Writers by Melissa Donovan

http://www.writingforward.com/writing-t ... -tips-ever

   1. Do it. Write.
   2. Read as much and as often as you can. Remember, every writer is a reader first.
   3. Keep a journal or notebook handy at all times so you can jot down all of your brilliant ideas.
   4. Make sure you have a dictionary and thesaurus available whenever you are composing.
   5. Be observant. The people and activities that surround you will provide you with great inspiration for characters, plots, and themes.
   6. Invest in a few valuable resources starting with The Chicago Manual of Style, Eats, Shoots & Leaves: The Zero Tolerance Approach to Punctuation, and The Elements of Style, Fourth Edition.
   7. Grammar: learn the rules and then break them.
   8. Stop procrastinating. Turn off the TV, tune out the rest of the world, sit down, and write.
   9. Read works by highly successful authors to learn what pleases publishers and earns a pretty penny.
  10. Read works by the canonical authors so you can understand what constitutes literary achievement.
  11. Join a writers’ group so you can enjoy support and comradery in your craft.
  12. Create a space in your home especially for writing.
  13. Proofread everything at least three times before submitting your work for publication.
  14. Write every single day.
  15. Start a blog. Use it to talk about your own writing process, to share your ideas and experiences, or to publish your work to a live audience.
  16. Subscribe to the top writing blogs on the Internet. Read them, participate, and enjoy!
  17. Use writing exercises to expand your talents and explore different genres, styles, and techniques.
  18. Let go of your inner editor. When you sit down to write a draft, refrain from proofreading until that draft is complete.
  19. Allow yourself to write poorly, to write a weak, uninteresting story or a boring, grammatically criminal poem. You’ll never succeed if you don’t allow yourself a few failures along the way.
  20. Make it your business to understand language. Do you know a noun from a verb, a predicate from a preposition? Do you understand tense and verb agreement? You should.
  21. You are a writer so own up and say it out loud, “I am a writer.” Whether it’s a hobby or your profession, you have the right to this title.
  22. Write, write, write, and then write some more. Forget everything else and just write.
Anonymous
Danke, Passopp, til glede, ja!

Likte spesielt Nr. 15, jeg har jo startet en blogg.
GjenopprettetMedlem
http://www.uwm.edu/People/gjay/writingrules.htm

Professor Jay's Rules for Funny Writers

1. Verbs HAS to agree with their subjects.

2. Prepositions are not words to end sentences with.

3. And don't start a sentence with a conjunction.

4. It is wrong to ever split an infinitive.

5. Avoid cliches like the plague. (They're old hat.)

6. Also, always avoid annoying alliteration.

7. Be more or less specific.

8. Parenthetical remarks (however relevant) are (usually) unnecessary.

9. Also too, never, ever use repetitive redundancies.

10. No sentence fragments.

11. Contractions aren't necessary and shouldn't be used unless you don't want to seem too formal.

12. Foreign words and phrases are not always apropos.

13. Do not use more words, phrases, sentences, or other linguistic elements than you, yourself, actually really and definitely need to use or employ when expressing yourself or otherwise giving voice to what you may or may not be thinking when you are trying to say how many words you should use or not use when using words.

14. One should NEVER generalize.

15. Comparisons are as bad as cliches.

16. Don't use no double negatives.

17. Eschew ampersands & abbreviations, i.e. etc.

18. One-word sentences? Eliminate.

19. Analogies in writing are like feathers on a snake.

20. The passive voice is to be ignored.

21. Eliminate commas, that are, not necessary. Parenthetical words however should be enclosed in commas.

22. Never use a big word when a diminutive one would suffice.

23. Kill excessive exclamation points!!!

24. Use words correctly, irregardless of how others elude to them.

25. Understatement is always the absolute best way to put forth earth shaking ideas.

26. Use the apostrophe in it's proper place and omit it when its not needed.

27. Eliminate distracting quotations. As Ralph Waldo Emerson is said to have once remarked, "I hate
quotations. Tell me what you know."

28. If you've heard it once, you've heard it a thousand times: Resist hyperbole; not one writer in a million can use it correctly.

29. Puns are for children, not groan readers.

30. Go around the barn at high noon to avoid colloquialisms.

31. Even IF a mixed metaphor sings, it should be derailed.

32. Who needs rhetorical questions?

33. Exaggeration is a billion times worse than understatement.

And finally...
34. Proofread carefully to see if you any words out.
GjenopprettetMedlem
35. Never take advices seriously,people are still looking for themselves,anyoldhow.

36.Listen to the people giving advice,not the advice,but how they give it.

37.We speak of ourselves,even when we imagine being cloaked and well hidden behind objective truth.

38. Thank the people reading your material,and for giving needful inspiration.

Thank you people.
:wub:
GjenopprettetMedlem
... and thank you Gnisten & Tele...  :biggrin:

Dette var en fin gammel tråd!  :eusa_clap:

Hvordan går det med bloggen Masha?  :wub:


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